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Post by Gilberto on Jun 2, 2013 12:59:07 GMT -5
 Sean, Greg and Andrew talk about the new Star Trek film, Into Darkness, and how it compares to earlier works such as Wrath of Khan. Episode 185 |
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Post by Scary Gary on Jun 3, 2013 17:38:34 GMT -5
I was pleased with it for the most part. Who knew that Khan had +5 Blood of Healing running through his veins? I like the idea of a TNG crossover with this group. Maybe Wesley Crusher can stop in to say "hi".  For ST3, I'm thinking Klingons and The Genesis Devise. Lastly, I think there is one missed opportunity that would have been really cool. When Khan crashes that that ship into San Francisco, I think it would have been better to have him set the self destruct mechanism and pass out (or die). On this ship is where Kirk should have entered the radiation chamber to prevent the auto-destruct to save the city. |
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Post by drivebyluna on Jun 3, 2013 20:53:30 GMT -5
I was pleased with it for the most part. Who knew that Khan had +5 Blood of Healing running through his veins? I like the idea of a TNG crossover with this group. Maybe Wesley Crusher can stop in to say "hi". For ST3, I'm thinking Klingons and The Genesis Devise. Lastly, I think there is one missed opportunity that would have been really cool. When Khan crashes that that ship into San Francisco, I think it would have been better to have him set the self destruct mechanism and pass out (or die). On this ship is where Kirk should have entered the radiation chamber to prevent the auto-destruct to save the city. I haven't had the chance to listen to this episode yet but my friends all pointed out that the ship would've likelier crashed into the moon than into the Earth because of gravity. Also if it did crash into the Earth, how freaking lucky was it that it landed right in SF? |
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Post by Scary Gary on Jun 4, 2013 0:38:27 GMT -5
I assumed that Khan set a course for SF, but I easily could have missed something. I saw the movie late on a work night, so I wasn't at peek attentiveness toward the end of the film. |
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Post by Gilberto on Jun 4, 2013 16:24:46 GMT -5
It's hard to follow the plot with all the quick, random action going on. You know, I really thought those torpedoes were going to be genesis devices and the Admiral's plan was to detonate them on the Klingon homeworld to wipe out the Klingons and leave a perfectly habitable planet for the Federation to annex. Instead his plan was the fire Khan's people at him in order to start a war with the Klingons?
In retrospect I also think it would have been cooler if the bad guy wasn't Khan, but a crazy with a plan to revive Khan and unleash him on the Federation. That would have paid homage to Wrath of Khan without doing the obvious, and it would have left Khan the dignity of being feared instead of being erratic and irrational.
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Post by drivebyluna on Jun 4, 2013 17:23:16 GMT -5
In retrospect I also think it would have been cooler if the bad guy wasn't Khan, but a crazy with a plan to revive Khan and unleash him on the Federation. That would have paid homage to Wrath of Khan without doing the obvious, and it would have left Khan the dignity of being feared instead of being erratic and irrational. But isn't that kinda what they did? |
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Post by Scary Gary on Jun 4, 2013 20:36:06 GMT -5
In retrospect I also think it would have been cooler if the bad guy wasn't Khan, but a crazy with a plan to revive Khan and unleash him on the Federation. That would have paid homage to Wrath of Khan without doing the obvious, and it would have left Khan the dignity of being feared instead of being erratic and irrational. But isn't that kinda what they did? You thinking Khan is also the baddie in ST3? |
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Post by drivebyluna on Jun 4, 2013 23:41:36 GMT -5
But isn't that kinda what they did? You thinking Khan is also the baddie in ST3? No I mean that they made the leader of Starfleet into the bad guy as well. |
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Post by Gilberto on Jun 5, 2013 16:01:16 GMT -5
I think they could have kept Khan on ice and maybe used him later, but made him a larger threat. It's sort of like the Borg. Yeah, they were cool because you always thought "holy crap, what will they ever do if they come back?" but then they came came and it wasn't that cool.
Having the fear of Khan as the underlying threat would have been more dramatic than using Khan himself. Old Spock telling young Spock that "whatever you do, you have got to keep them from setting Khan free" would have been a really dramatic plea. And, yeah, it would have kept Khan available as a villain in a later movie. This Khan wouldn't be very interesting to bring back again.
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