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Post by Scary Gary on Aug 11, 2010 22:50:48 GMT -5
Sean and the guys have mentioned some ideas on this topic a number of times. I'd like to see a trilogy of films set up with the final movie being the Doomsday match, ending with the death of Superman, his funeral, and a number of people reflecting on what the world lost. I think this kind of goes hand-in-hand with Sean's idea of a world that takes the Man of Steel for granted.
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Post by drivebyluna on Aug 11, 2010 23:13:41 GMT -5
I'd rather it not done at all. I think Superman is the weakest of superheros.
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Post by Gilberto on Aug 26, 2010 16:32:05 GMT -5
He's just weakly written. The Superman myth is important. He's the quintessential superhero. He also represents our ability to believe in something greater than ourselves, which makes him a religious sort of figure too.
They just need to stop writing him as a goon. Superman is about the ideal. That's what the movies are missing.
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Post by Glip on Aug 27, 2010 3:01:55 GMT -5
So superman as an ideal, does that exclude the Lois Lane love-interest? The thing that bugged me most about Superman Returns was not even the stupid evil plan Lex Luthor came up with but the ominous feeling I got halfway through..."Oh no, he's not gonna have a kid does he?" and yep, there it was...
Superman should be inspiring not emo. So I would like him to have a more decisive role in world problems. Not to freeze back the polar icecaps or anything, but just involved in human affairs. Let hem prevent a war, that kind of thing. Haven't seen a good missile-crisis being resolved since the 80's (not counting Watchmen, that one didn't exactly get resolved).
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Post by Gilberto on Aug 28, 2010 18:47:55 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm saying. Scrap Luthor, scrap Lois... we need Superman to get back to the fundamentals. And exploring how he maintains his message of decency and character in a world that seems to have utterly de-valued both is a perfect place to start.
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Post by Glip on Aug 29, 2010 4:12:11 GMT -5
So, how would Superman clean up the filth on the internet for example? Maybe it's rediculous but I can imagine him starting up a computer, going online for a few hours and just sighing... no x-ray vision is going to help there.
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Post by Glip on Sept 3, 2010 12:30:51 GMT -5
I was discussing with a friend about this yesterday and we came to the remarkable conclusion that Superman as a main character in a movie just doesn't work anymore.
As Mr. Plinkett from Red Letter Media would say, he's lacking a vital attribute of a protagonist, namely accessibility.
Who can identify with Superman? (we've established we could do without the emo so there's not really much left)
So here's our wild idea: To keep Superman as an ideal in a movie we would need somebody else as a main character.
A regular guy who's down on his luck maybe, but maintaining a belief that he can overcome these problems by taking heart that there's an actual Superman in his world. This guy gets the whole idea. This guy is seeing Superman on a daily basis on tv or in the newspapers doing good deeds and overcoming obstacles so he lives by that belief. In the end, the plot could go any possible direction, he will meet and help Superman during a crisis and become somewhat of a hero himself.
Plain, simple and room enough for some fancy superhero stuff.
This way we certainly can have Superman still be the hero he deserves to be and not be bothered by things that distract from that.
What do you guys think?
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Post by drivebyluna on Sept 3, 2010 21:48:04 GMT -5
Jon thinks that Superman only would work if they made it into a children's movie (maybe something animated?)
He's just too squeaky clean and too powerful.
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Post by lynn on Sept 4, 2010 1:50:24 GMT -5
I think you're all looking at it from the wrong angle. Superman is squeaky clean. Superman is the white knight. Superman always does what is right. but how does that fit in a world that is shades of grey? Superman is like Captain America, he's an anachronism. His natural purity isn't what makes him boring, it's what makes him interesting. Batman breaks people's ankles, the Watchmen are all mad as snakes, everyone is dark these days. But not Superman. Sean is right. The interest is in his character, the villain just needs to challenge that, and the story becomes a character study of how a white knight survives mentally in a world of greys. What is good and bad? What is right and wrong? And who is superman to decide? Is he right because he's the most powerful? Thus his strength, his all-powerfulness, becomes a weakness, because it only complicates the moral quandry. Is he a god? Does he have a god's right to decide on right and wrong?
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Post by Glip on Sept 4, 2010 3:45:15 GMT -5
That reminds me a bit of "Blast from the past" then. I agree the whole thing about the clean 'white knight' Superman is an anachronism. As for turning the story into a morality play, I don't know. You'd risk depicting him as a despot or even fundamentalist. Interesting enough to not have an actual super-villain but just Superman versus world opinion, but those stories have been done.
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Post by lynn on Sept 4, 2010 6:58:56 GMT -5
all stories have been done, it's like Joss Whedon says, it's more important to be true than original. but it would be difficult, not saying it wouldn't be. but I think it may be the only thing to do, he's such an awkward dude, to make his strengths weaknesses and call out the things we have trouble with in the character. Superman does work better on the small screen I think, where you can tease these things out...
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Post by andrewvx on Oct 16, 2010 15:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by lynn on Oct 16, 2010 21:24:12 GMT -5
Sounds interesting, I'll wait and see though
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